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Anne Goodwin’s drive to understand what makes people tick led to a career in clinical psychology. That same curiosity now powers her fiction.
A prize-winning short-story writer, she has published three novels and a short story collection with small independent press, Inspired Quill. Her debut novel, Sugar and Snails, was shortlisted for the 2016 Polari First Book Prize.
Away from her desk, Anne guides book-loving walkers through the Derbyshire landscape that inspired Charlotte Brontë’s Jane Eyre.
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What do friends mean when they say There must be a novel in there?

2/12/2017

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Writers, does this happen to you? Catching up with friends, someone will relate an amusing and/or interesting and/or convoluted anecdote. When they reach the end, instead of being satisfied with a few moments’ entertainment, they – or another from among the group – will quip There’s a novel in there somewhere! A novel? Excuse me, but it shouldn’t take a novelist to recognise this is not the case. But is the reference to novels an innocent, albeit clumsy, metaphor, or are nastier issues afoot?

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My childhood has bestowed on me a distorted relationship with envy. When envy attacks, disguised as jokey banter, I tend to register the hurt but not the motive behind it. I blame myself for being oversensitive, or having an inflated idea of my own achievements. As literary pondlife, why should anyone envy me?
 
Calling out envy, can be as tricky as refusing to accept everyday sexual harassment. You’re perceived as making a fuss about nothing, because often the harassers genuinely don’t realise what they’re doing. And these friends who want to turn every tale into a novel aren’t horned devils. They’re actually rather nice.
 
When diagnosing envious attacks, I’ve learnt to attend to context. How much do these friends acknowledge there’s an actual novelist in their midst? Have they brought her books and let her know they’ve enjoyed them? If they have, perhaps they’ve earned their right to joke about what a novel is.
 
But if they haven’t, how do you deal with what surely must be, even unconsciously, a putdown? Do you laugh along, bat back a volley of your own, or walk away? Up until now, I’ve simply kept quiet, but I’d welcome your opinions on what to do.
 
I’m not saying that all my friends should support, or like, or even care about, my writing. But there’s something weird going on when they pepper the conversation with references to writing when it’s not relevant, yet barely acknowledge the writing that is.

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I’d already drafted this post when Charli set her flash fiction challenge to write
a 99-word story about self-care, which chimes perfectly with my theme. Here’s what I made of it as I lay in bed this morning:


I made a mountain


I made a mountain. They could not knock it down. But they did not join me on the zigzag path through meadow, woods and moorland to the craggy top. Instead, they dragged me to molehill, had me admire its contours, the texture of its soil. They bathed it in sunshine, cloaked my hill in mist. The only mountains they’d acknowledge were the Everests that pierced the cloud.

I fought through fog to find my mountain, and walked alone along its trails. Birds sang, flowers bloomed, rock glistened in the damp air. I made a mountain. I made it mine.


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18 Comments
Juliet Nubel link
2/12/2017 02:17:42 pm

Anne, this is a fabulous piece which will ring true to so many I think. Two of my 'best friends' stopped following my blog about three months after I'd set it up. They had commented on it and said they loved the way I wrote. So what happened? It broke my heart. Envy or boredom? I have never asked.
And sarcastic teasing from an old Uncle who follows my blog almost made me give up entirely.
So I am going to do as you have done - I'm going to make myself a mountain and climb it alone, happy to admire the view through my eyes only.
Long live Charli and her angels! This community has really boosted my confidence as a writer. Thank you.

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Annecdotist
2/12/2017 04:38:40 pm

I’m glad my post resonated for you, Juliet – although obviously also sorry! How disappointing to have your friends drop off after a promising start – although I do think keeping up with reading blogs takes a lot of time and commitment. I wonder if writing a guest post would appeal to them? Even more annoying about your uncle, I think sarcasm is often veiled envy. If not, why make the effort? Keep on building and enjoying your mountains.

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Frank Hubeny link
2/12/2017 09:51:39 pm

There is probably much more than molehill.

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Annecdotist
4/12/2017 10:24:34 am

Ha, in this case it was definitely a molehill! Thanks for reading and commenting, Frank.

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Geoff link
2/12/2017 11:30:37 pm

Well, yes, this resonates - indeed the noise is cacophonous. I suppose the thing against which I have to fight is the urge to be rude if, in the first 3 questions after I say ‘yes I write’ is ‘who publishes your books?’ Sometimes this comes before wanting to know what type of books they may be. I realise it is mostly a thoughtless put down, that somehow my writing, or maybe me, is a lesser type of writer for publishing myself but so far I’ve not walked away or hit anyone.
But of course writers can be just as wont to sneer or put down so the human tendency to both envy others and self aggrandise is still strong.
The flash contains an apt metaphor, Anne. For all the teeth grinding, self publishing suits me. I know my books are decent offerings; they are high quality products with good editing and excellent cover art. Getting the best I can published is my mountain and I really can’t be doing with the faff of a publisher telling me to make changes I don’t want to make in order to get something published. So there you have it. My weakness is ego! Sorry to take up so much space!

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Annecdotist
4/12/2017 10:34:35 am

Thanks, Geoff, you are very welcome to take up space with these interesting reflections.
I also get asked who my publisher is, which has always struck me as strange when I’m sure most people are unaware of who publishes the books they read. But perhaps behind that question is a perfectly legitimate one – which I was actually asked recently – is whether the book has been properly edited, which anyone who approaches this business professionally, whether self or commercially published, ought to be able to answer in the affirmative. In my limited experience of attending book fairs, browsers and potential buyers don’t seem to discriminate between self and commercially published books, and are more interested in the story – and whether there are any local links. But since book blogging has made me a lot more conscious of different publishers, next time I’m asked – and have to tell them I’m published by a teeny tiny publisher they won’t have heard of – I can follow this up with a query about their own favourite publishers. Nothing wrong with opening up a dialogue!
And yes, you’ve made your mountain and can be justifiably proud.

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D. Avery link
3/12/2017 11:12:33 pm

Huh. Blog, what blog, I don't have a blog. Saves awkwardness among friends. Funny business you Writers walk, though, balancing ego and humility, the desire for privacy and desire for readership and recognition. Either way, I like yer flash.

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Annecdotist
4/12/2017 10:39:24 am

Glad you like my flash, but I’m afraid you can’t get away with “you writers” – you show up at the ranch so you’re definitely one of us weirdos!
Unlike Juliet, I actually don’t expect my friends to follow my blog. If they did, I might not have felt the freedom to write this post. Although one of my sisters does read the blog and is mega supportive.

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Norah Colvin link
4/12/2017 07:12:07 am

I can't recall if I ever said, "There must be a novel in that." But I've certainly said, "That would be a good story." It is certainly never a put down to anyone, more a comment on the potential of the situation or anecdote to entertain. I haven't always got around to writing those stories (have hardly ever) but the potential is there. Maybe that is all these people are recognising. The potential of a situation to entertain if they had the ability, the interest, the motivation and the persistence to do so. We can't all climb mountains, but maybe we can all dream.
I really enjoyed your flash. Such a beautifully worded, poetic and emotive expression of your journey. I am certainly pleased you made your mountain. I love looking at life from your view, be it the tall, the middle-sized, or the very brief, like this one.
I would say, if I were to give advice, which I usually don't, to avoid taking the "novel in this" as meaning anything more than an interesting situation which someone, if they were that way inclined, could weave into a story. Keep writing. Ignore the critics. Please yourself and your readers.

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Annecdotist
4/12/2017 10:48:01 am

Thanks for adding this alternative perspective, Norah. Firstly, I think there’s a difference between a good story and a novel. There’s nothing wrong with praising an anecdote but I think it takes away from the in the moment entertainment value to say it could be something else. Secondly, you can say ‘that might make a good story’ to me any time! I’d be unlikely to detect a sly attack under any comment you might make because you are always so supportive of mine and others’ writing. In the absence of such support, those comments feel a little different.

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Steff link
5/12/2017 01:14:43 pm

I agree with Norah and I myself have commented "there's a story there" when people have relayed incidences/happenings to me. What I find annoying is when people tell me they have a story to tell and suggest I write it! It's all about context, I guess.

I loved your flash piece, though Anne. It really moved me. A lovely treat.

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Annecdotist
6/12/2017 01:18:50 pm

Interesting! I suppose there are stories everywhere if we look in a certain way. But being given other people’s stories to write – no thanks! Mr A does this constantly, but is only joking (I think)!
Lovely to hear from you, glad you liked the flash.

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Charli Mills
7/12/2017 03:40:36 am

I wonder if that's a British idea because I've heard "I've got a novel in me" described as the desire to write one; and I've heard in conversations, "There's a story in that," implying that an entertaining anecdote has more than what was shared. You Brits are high achievers -- we Yanks are yammering on about stories and y'all say novels! But I get the gist of what you mean when others take your work lightly. In the US, authors who have a book are often greeted with the response, "I was going to write one next year," as if one were planning to garden. The best response I've heard was an author (talking to a doctor at a social event) say, "And I thought I'd take up brain surgery next year." Nonetheless, I love where you took your own introspection to create your flash, giving us writers a resonating analogy. Their molehills don't compare!

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Annecdotist
7/12/2017 05:54:22 pm

I’m not sure if it is so normal in the UK for people to draw an analogy between an anecdote and a novel. But we certainly get that “I was thinking of writing a novel” reaction. I find it annoying when I am in a position of selling my books but otherwise I don’t mind, as I don’t think many of us appreciate what an undertaking it is before we start on the journey. I think I try to take their aspiration seriously while somehow conveying they have a lot to learn – maybe by suggesting they visit my blog or talking to them about what they read. Then if they say they are not a reader I treat them to the full force of my scorn!

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Irene Waters link
8/12/2017 11:21:19 pm

Perfect flash that will resound with many writers (including myself). Like Norah I would not be offended by someone saying there was a novel there although I must admit I have not heard novel used in that context but rather good story or the like. I'm with Geoff in the "who are you published with" or in my case "who is publishing you?" gets me much more. It does make self-publishing seem as though it is a second-rate way of getting your book out there. I do admit that with self-publishing some badly crafted and edited books get out there but there are many more that are wonderful. As for my blog - I have told no friends I have one. I don't think I could feel as free if I thought people I knew intimately were analyzing everything I wrote and photograph I posted. Enjoyed your post Anne and the thoughts and comments it generated.

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Annecdotist
9/12/2017 05:29:32 pm

Thanks, Irene. I wonder how there must be a memoir in there somewhere would feel to you? Probably okay? But I think I’ll try that one!
It’s true that there are self-published writers who don’t understand what needs to go into a book. There are also unscrupulous self-published services that rip people off and don’t do their books justice. Happened to a friend of mine who cared for formatting of an e-book which apparently came out full of mistakes. Not nice.

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Norah Colvin link
10/12/2017 10:37:14 am

Interesting discussion you got going here, Anne. I guess our response to such comments depend on the context, who said it and how, and our feelings at the time. When a colleague suggested readilearn may be more a hobby than work, I was a bit affronted too. :) I guess no one will see it as more than that until it starts earning an income, which is looking less and less likely as time goes on.

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Annecdotist
10/12/2017 11:54:37 am

I’m certainly pleased with the discussion this post generated. It’s interesting to see the similarities and differences in what makes us take offence.
It’s a pity Readilearn isn’t yet generating an income although I’d imagine that’s not your prime motivation (apologies if I’m wrong) but it’s more about sharing the knowledge you’ve acquired through years of classroom teaching. So it seems most peculiar that a colleague (I’m presuming someone with a background in education) should consider it a hobby. Why should anyone think that when you’re doing it from a position of expertise? Either it’s envy or the person doesn’t understand the value of taking our work in a different and potentially more creative angle after serving time in a salaried post.
It’s got my hackles up, but it’s also made me wonder if my friends consider my writing a hobby because it brings in very little money. I certainly consider it work, even though it’s often more playful than what was possible in my previous work role. And even though I take my hobbies very seriously – singing and volunteering in the National Park – and they require some effort, they’re very different from my work.

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